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Russell
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 Re: 2cv Vans: Dummies Guide This van history is more complicated than I'd ever imagined...
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samfieldhouse
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Re: 2cv Vans: Dummies Guide Russell wrote: This van history is more complicated than I'd ever imagined... yeah pretty much, I've learned a LOT from this thread, I know I'm certainly guilty of refering to them as AK 400s, but then it seems so, apparantly, was Citroën!
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pete
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Joined: February 22nd, 2009, 6:55 pm
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Location: UDAC Wolds Chapter
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Re: 2cv Vans: Dummies Guide toomany2cvs wrote: Limes wrote: January 74 - end of side windows in load space (new legislation for vans)
September 74 - plastique grill with chevrons and chrome surround, square lights <points to thoroughly original square light, plastic grill, side-window'd AKS400, first registered new in France in late spring '74> Quote: July 77 - 3-point seatbelts (without inertia reel) causes need for steel pyramid in front of rear wheel arches Speaking of which, can anybody give me more detail of these? Are they welded or bolted to the van? What reinforcement on the inside of the spare wheel/fuel tank compartments? Some good close photos and measurements would be great - there's no difference between a car and a small van, legally, over here - so anything after the mid '60s needs belts, which means I need to add them. The lower mounts are easy, since we're changing the sills and chassis anyway. The top one's the problem. It seems likely that they'd have been spot-welded in at the factory (quicker, therefore cheaper), and that's how most of them are that you see. It seems equally likely that they would have been available as a part for aftermarket fitting, which most would have preferred to bolt in. Both are acceptable in terms of structural integrity (and passing MOTs in Blighty!). Btw, 1967 is the start year for seat belts in commercial vehicles - a couple of years after saloons. Still pre-dates Hetty, though, Adrian! I've never found them all that comfortable in terms of position, to be honest. Welding the mountings from the B-posts of a scrap saloon in the same spot works very nicely, as on Stimpy and several other vans that I look after...
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pete
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Re: 2cv Vans: Dummies Guide Russell wrote: This van history is more complicated than I'd ever imagined... It's a voyage of discovery and a constant source of fascination, Sam... And we've only scratched the surface here! 
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toomany2cvs
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Re: 2cv Vans: Dummies Guide pete wrote: Btw, 1967 is the start year for seat belts in commercial vehicles - a couple of years after saloons. Still pre-dates Hetty, though, Adrian! Ah, the big question... Do we go by what's parked there, or the identity it's gained over the years...? <grin> Quote: I've never found them all that comfortable in terms of position, to be honest. Welding the mountings from the B-posts of a scrap saloon in the same spot works very nicely, as on Stimpy and several other vans that I look after... With the reel mounted where? Or static?
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pete
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Re: 2cv Vans: Dummies Guide toomany2cvs wrote: pete wrote: Btw, 1967 is the start year for seat belts in commercial vehicles - a couple of years after saloons. Still pre-dates Hetty, though, Adrian! Ah, the big question... Do we go by what's parked there, or the identity it's gained over the years...? <grin> 'Fraid you don't get a choice.... Quote: I've never found them all that comfortable in terms of position, to be honest. Welding the mountings from the B-posts of a scrap saloon in the same spot works very nicely, as on Stimpy and several other vans that I look after... With the reel mounted where? Or static? Static, ideally, although I'm certain I've done at least one with inertia reels (using the mounting in a 'modern' sill) without them fouling the seat frames.
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toomany2cvs
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Re: 2cv Vans: Dummies Guide pete wrote: toomany2cvs wrote: With the reel mounted where? Or static? Static, ideally, although I'm certain I've done at least one with inertia reels (using the mounting in a 'modern' sill) without them fouling the seat frames. <thinks> Wouldn't the rear mount, where the reel normally is, be further back than the front of the van box? Putting the reel on the front mount, presumably? BTW, Russ... Got a pair of B-pillar seatbelt mounts and a set of inertia-reel belts in that shed of yours?
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Russell
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Re: 2cv Vans: Dummies Guide Sorry Adrian, you're a few hours too late, as nothing in the shed is mine anymore!
Old man Higgs' 400 has toyota seatbelts, photgraphs of which I shall provide one day.
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toomany2cvs
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Re: 2cv Vans: Dummies Guide Russell wrote: Sorry Adrian, you're a few hours too late, as nothing in the shed is mine anymore! NP. Viking? Anybody else? Got a pair of upper B-pillar belt mounts I could blag?
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2CViking
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Re: 2cv Vans: Dummies Guide Ya I got some somewhere. When do you need/want them?
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