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 Wheel Alignment (toe in) 
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Post Wheel Alignment (toe in)
No, not the front wheels ... the REAR wheels.
What would you all (1) expect them to be, and (2) after actually putting a tape measure on them, what did you actually find?


February 13th, 2015, 12:27 am
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Noticed the other day that Gerty has worn the outer shoulder bald on the l/h rear tyre. I had heard of factory bent rear arms on some late cars but this is 1965 complete with batteurs. Am I slinging it round corners to fast or did Russ bend the arm with all his hooning? :lol:

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February 13th, 2015, 1:08 am
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Post Re: Wheel Alignment (toe in)
Get your stringline out and all should be revealed...

...apart from when and where things went a bit skew-whiff. :lol:


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Noticed the other day that Gerty has worn the outer shoulder bald on the l/h rear tyre. I had heard of factory bent rear arms on some late cars but this is 1965 complete with batteurs. Am I slinging it round corners to fast or did Russ bend the arm with all his hooning? :lol:

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February 13th, 2015, 1:25 am
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my blue car has 1mm toe in one side and 1mm toe out the other - manufacturing tolerances? suppose itll depend on which side was down when it was dipped in the vat of molten zinc and deposited more metal in the hole

1 mm makes no noticeable affect on driving or tyre wear We argue every year about it on race cars a small amount of toe in is supposed to help with cornering i prefer to set it up 0

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February 13th, 2015, 9:23 am
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Check the camber, important too.

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Poss. camber is the more likely culprit in my case - easier to 'knock' some in against a curb perhapse?

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February 14th, 2015, 1:28 am
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Because its a trailing arm and fixed geomertry the wheel follows an arc rather than moving up and down vertically therfore unless the wheel is at 0° toe in and 0° camber, the angles change with the movement of the trailing arm

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February 14th, 2015, 9:20 am
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As the wheel moves up & down @ the end of it's arc I can see that the toe in could convert to + & - camber (though the travel is probably insufficent to make this noticable) but as the arc is (hopefully) @ right angles to the fore & aft centre line would the camber (is there [suposed to be] any on a 2cv rear wheel?) remain almost constant? Just trying to get my head to understand this... Mmm... actually with the limited amount of arc used by the suspension travel I doubt there is a noticable change to either... witter witter....

If my n/s rear tyre has worn a bald strip round its outside shoulder this means I have excessive toe in on that wheel OR possibly negative camber which is causing the shoulder to be tucked under when cornering hard - possibly that should be AND/OR :lol:
Will do stuff with sticks and string @ some point soon to check, Ken.

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February 14th, 2015, 11:12 am
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we worked out the optimum camber for the rear running 135 Mich to be only a couple of mm this was achieved on one car by cutting and shutting the rear crosstube and on another using a big pole on an old wheel

Bit of camber and a bit of toe in make for a snappier cornering experience - however thats on the racers with up rated and dropped suspension and a set of tyres lasting less than 24hrs. For a D*lly wallowing on standard keep it all 0*, there is no reason for the rear tyre to scrub on a road car if it does ( and you hav'nt been booting it round a roundabout all day ) somethings wrong!

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February 14th, 2015, 5:20 pm
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Sean wrote:
my blue car has 1mm toe in one side and 1mm toe out the other - manufacturing tolerances? suppose itll depend on which side was down when it was dipped in the vat of molten zinc and deposited more metal in the hole

1 mm makes no noticeable affect on driving or tyre wear We argue every year about it on race cars a small amount of toe in is supposed to help with cornering i prefer to set it up 0


Sean, can I infer from this that you might have expected the "factory setting" to be zero toe-in? No one else seems to have directly answered the first question I put up...
That (zero) is indeed what I would have guessed...and was surprised to discover it wasn't!
Not only that, but 'twere different on either side. And more than 1mm, too. And no - it has never been bingled.

So now ... does anyone have suggestions on setting/changing the toe-in? Big cheater bar? Or more technically, shims of some sort? Hydraulics as per a chassis straightening rig?


February 16th, 2015, 12:21 am
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