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Rhythm Thief
Firing on two.
Joined: March 10th, 2010, 12:37 am Posts: 1927 Location: Alone in my polytunnel with my pitiful competition onions
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 Berlingo woes
Yes yes yes, I know it's not a 2cv. But it is a Citroen and it's arguably the new 2cv and you're all Citroen enthusiasts so ... anyway. My other half's Citroen Berlingo 1.6HDI has just lunched its turbo. The garage want £1 800 to fix it and we can't possibly afford that, so I was thinking the best way to deal with it is to get it home and on the drive and (bearing in mind the many problems which seem to be associated with the 1.6 engine), swap the entire engine. I was thinking maybe the 1.9TD engine from the Peugeot 306 would be a sensible swap (a straight swap too, by all accounts) but I wouldn't be human if I didn't think about putting something bigger in there while I'm at it. Does anyone know if the 2.0 litre 16v engine is a reasonably straightforward swap (I know it's a petrol). I'm not a fabricator and barely know one end of a welding torch from another, so I don't want to be cutting the engine bay around or making engine mounts or anything, but if I can physically bolt the engine in I should be able to make it work. Any or all advice gratefully received!
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September 8th, 2014, 10:51 am |
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lpgo
Firing on 1-2 Spark
Joined: November 8th, 2009, 5:42 pm Posts: 2847 Location: NL
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 Re: Berlingo woes
Why not upgade or revise the turbo??? would save you alot of time and probably money....
a revision set will be around 50 pound I gues, take a look at fleabee... a turbo starting at 150 pound I guess...
My opinion is putting in another engine is always more work as you think and want.... Mostly little bits which sets you back for hours or dollars.....
Whats so bad at your orignal engine????
When you put in another turbo take a good look at your oil-management, I guess theres something wrong there otherwise your turbo wouldn't be down....
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September 8th, 2014, 5:17 pm |
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AZS
Firing on two.
Joined: December 22nd, 2013, 5:01 am Posts: 300 Location: Netherlands
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Most engines that had turbo for lunch will be a bit broken.
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September 8th, 2014, 6:57 pm |
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gaz602
2CV Fan
Joined: February 27th, 2009, 10:45 pm Posts: 77 Location: EVESHAM
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 Re: Berlingo woes
lpgo wrote: Why not upgade or revise the turbo??? would save you alot of time and probably money....
a revision set will be around 50 pound I gues, take a look at fleabee... a turbo starting at 150 pound I guess...
My opinion is putting in another engine is always more work as you think and want.... Mostly little bits which sets you back for hours or dollars.....
Whats so bad at your original engine????
When you put in another turbo take a good look at your oil-management, I guess theres something wrong there otherwise your turbo wouldn't be down.... The 1.6hdi has a problem that it gets a build up of gunk in the sump and turbo oil feed pipes.The only way to really sort it is to strip the engine to clean it all out and replace all the oil feed pipes,thats why they charge so much to do it and if you don't the new turbo wont last five minutes 
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September 8th, 2014, 8:47 pm |
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Rhythm Thief
Firing on two.
Joined: March 10th, 2010, 12:37 am Posts: 1927 Location: Alone in my polytunnel with my pitiful competition onions
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 Re: Berlingo woes
gaz602 wrote: lpgo wrote: Why not upgade or revise the turbo??? would save you alot of time and probably money....
a revision set will be around 50 pound I gues, take a look at fleabee... a turbo starting at 150 pound I guess...
My opinion is putting in another engine is always more work as you think and want.... Mostly little bits which sets you back for hours or dollars.....
Whats so bad at your original engine????
When you put in another turbo take a good look at your oil-management, I guess theres something wrong there otherwise your turbo wouldn't be down.... The 1.6hdi has a problem that it gets a build up of gunk in the sump and turbo oil feed pipes.The only way to really sort it is to strip the engine to clean it all out and replace all the oil feed pipes,thats why they charge so much to do it and if you don't the new turbo wont last five minutes  That's why I want to put in a different engine. I know I can clean out the sump and change the oil repeatedly but from what I read that's no guarantee that it won't eat another turbo. And I could do without that!
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September 8th, 2014, 9:12 pm |
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Nelsthebass
Firing on two.
Joined: October 5th, 2009, 8:22 pm Posts: 1415 Location: Stone, Staffs
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You will have to alter all the ECU as well I suspect if you change the block from diesel to petrol and no guarentee, especially with Citroen, that the connectors will be the same!
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September 8th, 2014, 11:12 pm |
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Jonathan
Firing on two.
Joined: January 1st, 2009, 7:37 pm Posts: 4708 Location: Disunited Kingdom
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I have an idea you'd have to change the BSI from the car the replacement engine comes from, and have the system rebooted by a Citroen garage or somebody with the relevant software. Not an easy job.
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September 8th, 2014, 11:46 pm |
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Sean
Firing on two.
Joined: April 22nd, 2009, 11:06 pm Posts: 3684 Location: Ecosse
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Gaz on the money they are engines with troubles regular oil changes and regular tightening of the injector clamps to avoid the exhaust recirculation from coking up the system.
if you want to fit another engine you wont go wrong with the 2l HDI or even one of the older non common rail Ive never had any problems with the HDI though some have. French Car forum will have lots of info n whether its just a bolt in upgrade or if youll need to change the box too.
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September 9th, 2014, 8:18 am |
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Russell
Firing on two.
Joined: November 29th, 2008, 10:05 pm Posts: 9259 Location: West Sussex, U.K.
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What's it worth? I mean couldn't you replace the car for what it'd cost to buy a decent engine and box and all the cocking about trying to make it work to end up with something that's not worth what a standard one is worth.
I know it's a bit defeatist but it might be simpler and cheaper all together.
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September 9th, 2014, 9:02 am |
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Rhythm Thief
Firing on two.
Joined: March 10th, 2010, 12:37 am Posts: 1927 Location: Alone in my polytunnel with my pitiful competition onions
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Russ, I would do that, but we spent two grand on this thing about three and a half thousand miles ago ... It's relatively new (08 plate) with a full Citroen service history, so I had hoped we'd be safe from turbo failure for a while at least. If I can pick up an engine and gearbox for a few hundred quid (which I should be able to), that's really the only way to fix it economically. But I still find myself wondering if the Peugeot 3 litre V6 engine would fit. What a sleeper that would be.
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September 9th, 2014, 10:40 am |
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