Make Your Own ....2CV.... 4x4
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subarupete
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Joined: March 5th, 2009, 6:23 pm Posts: 2247 Location: Near Monmouth
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Some pics. Assemble suspension, still some fixing of spring cans and adjustments to do. On the wish list are AK springs as I believe they are a lower lbs/inch softer? Anybody know the spring rate? Rear End. Attachment:
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November 9th, 2011, 1:59 pm |
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ken
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Joined: March 6th, 2009, 1:40 am Posts: 3675
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pete, haven't worked out the lbs/inch, but there's some info from Citroen in these tables. Springs 1 by slcchassis, on Flickr Springs 2 by slcchassis, on Flickr Might be worth having a bit of a play around with calculating the rates of the springs you've got, using this site. http://engineersedge.com/spring_comp_calc_k.htmWorth noting that with Citroen, you've got to expect the unexpected, since this was what I found when I cut open a selection of the larger cans a while back. I have a feeling that there's an Ami Super spring or two amongst that lot... Springs to mix and match. by slcchassis, on Flickr ken. subarupete wrote: On the wish list are AK springs as I believe they are a lower lbs/inch softer? Anybody know the spring rate?
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November 9th, 2011, 10:24 pm |
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subarupete
Firing on two.
Joined: March 5th, 2009, 6:23 pm Posts: 2247 Location: Near Monmouth
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Ken thanks, Know the rates and dimensions for a 2CV front spring by substitution should be able to determine the rate for an AK spring using http://engineersedge.com/spring_comp_calc_k.htm and use the 2CV data as a check.
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November 9th, 2011, 11:15 pm |
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ken
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Peter, it might be best to use the calculator on that particular site as a basis for comparison, rather than to determine absolute values, since the values it spits out for 'standard' 2CV springs don't match too well with the testing I had done elsewhere. Don't know what values you have for standard springs, but I've worked on around 800 lb/in for the fronts, with the (shorter) rears being closer to 900 lb/in. This calculator on this site seems to be more accurate, but you only get so many freebies before they stop the fun and ask for some $$$... http://www.planetspring.com/pages/compr ... ompression ken. subarupete wrote: Ken thanks, Know the rates and dimensions for a 2CV front spring by substitution should be able to determine the rate for an AK spring using http://engineersedge.com/spring_comp_calc_k.htm and use the 2CV data as a check.
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November 9th, 2011, 11:38 pm |
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subarupete
Firing on two.
Joined: March 5th, 2009, 6:23 pm Posts: 2247 Location: Near Monmouth
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Drive Shaft Adapters. Drilled and Tapped Gearbox Drive Flange. Attachment:
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Test Fitted Adapters. Attachment:
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November 18th, 2011, 5:34 pm |
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Joolz
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Joined: January 5th, 2009, 5:48 am Posts: 1687 Location: Haven't a clue
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 What did you tap them to, 10mm I'm guessing, 1.5 or 1.25 pitch? Much easier than finding 9mm bolts. I should do this myself, currently got the original bolts with spacers under the heads.
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November 18th, 2011, 11:53 pm |
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subarupete
Firing on two.
Joined: March 5th, 2009, 6:23 pm Posts: 2247 Location: Near Monmouth
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Hi Joolz, Tap 10mm x 1.5. and use 10mm socket bolt, heads need to be reduced to fit, (drill/ flap disc as i dont have a lathe). The 9mm socket bolts are hard to get. Have tried to source these, but min quantity would be 200+ Was going to use 10mm for the drive shaft as well but not enough metal. The adapters came from Holland, getting them copied locally for the rear-end.
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November 19th, 2011, 11:00 am |
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subarupete
Firing on two.
Joined: March 5th, 2009, 6:23 pm Posts: 2247 Location: Near Monmouth
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Hi Guys, Your advice is sought, have attempted to fabricate some steering arms. See pics. Problem – have drilled thru the arm at the pivot point to < 12mm. The 12mm bolt is a “tight fit” in the arm. Can torque the nut/bolt tight, to put a crush load on the rod-end and spacers. Will the bolt move and eventually “wear out” the steering arm???? Spend so far on one arm is £16.00, so shall I bin it? Attachment:
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December 23rd, 2011, 1:38 pm |
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ken
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Pete, it's surprising how difficult it can be to separate parts which have been bonded with high strength threadlocking/bearing fit compounds. If the shank of the bolt isn't fully threaded, might be worth a shot with one of them, as they're capable of filling bondline gaps of up to 0.25mm, although the cure rate is slower then... Trial pack; http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ABRO-HIGH-STR ... 1301wt_698or giant economy size; http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Loctite-290-H ... 2548wt_932ken
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December 23rd, 2011, 3:43 pm |
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subarupete
Firing on two.
Joined: March 5th, 2009, 6:23 pm Posts: 2247 Location: Near Monmouth
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Ken, Thanks for that. Can put the bolt in from the bottom with the permanent bonding stuff.
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December 23rd, 2011, 3:57 pm |
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