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beckymosaic
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spanners wrote: I don't normally bother to get into this debate but, here goes....... From my perspective, there's no new car I like out there and if I had the money to spend, I'd love an as new or at least a very good 2CV, so yes, I would spend 9k on a really bloody good one. Maybe I'm bonkers but hey, that's me. Sure, I rue the fact that I don't get offered a 2CV a week now for free or £50 but hey, c'est la vie. I'm sure there's plenty of other car fanatics out there-the true Beetle fans and proper Mini fans for example (most of my mates had Minis when they passed their tests as they could be had for £150 with 12 months test, what's the cheapest MOTd Mini anybody has seen recently?) that feel the same way-this happens. And, it'll continue to happen, there's duck all we can do about it! True, there'll also be twats out there with proper shit bags (we know of a good source of those) who'll keep on asking stupid money for them. They'll keep selling them too unfortunately. But, once again, there's nowt anyone here can do about it. As has been said many times before, people can put a daft price on something but at the end of the day, it's worth what someone's willing to pay-whether that's £800 or £8000, so be it. I also believe that the "2CV is a cheap mode of transport to get us from A-B" is a complete load of bollocks for the majority now! Okay, so there may be an awful lot of people on here that use their A-series on a regular basis (some of you, I know, only have A-series) but, there's probably more that only use them occasionally when they feel like it, not because they have to. So, on that basis, what makes 2CVs different to any other perceived classic? The majority of 2CV owners (certainly in the UK anyway) seem to only bring them out for high days and holidays, tuck them away in the winter and so on. Whether people like it or not, that sort of thing just makes people think "they're rare now" and bump the price up-having a tantrum about it isn't going to make any difference to the prices folk put on their 2CVs! I've waffled long enough now so, dig in and shoot me down!  Edit: That's not to say that I think 2CVs should be priced that highly but I do believe that there are some that would be worth that sort of money...... If I think what I've spent on some proper basket cases (not to mention the man hours to get them road legal) and even then, they still look like scrapyard fodder............... The seller of the burgundy / blck £8Ker always bungs his prives up by some redic factor. He was the one flogging a Bedouin a while back for about £4k. C'est la vie...and pass me a pint! 
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2CViking
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Joined: April 18th, 2009, 11:43 am Posts: 2424 Location: Meneac, Bretagne France
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2CViking
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Joined: April 18th, 2009, 11:43 am Posts: 2424 Location: Meneac, Bretagne France
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January 22nd, 2011, 11:29 pm |
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Jonathan
Firing on two.
Joined: January 1st, 2009, 7:37 pm Posts: 4708 Location: Disunited Kingdom
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james2cv wrote: LOL. I swear that this gets discussed at least once every 10 pages. And I've been on this forum long enough to know to keep out of it....So I will 
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January 22nd, 2011, 11:36 pm |
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Old-Nail
Firing on two.
Joined: October 7th, 2009, 12:10 pm Posts: 2192 Location: NWUK
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I won't. I can understand the inflated market values, because that's what 'markets' create. What I don't understand, and never will really, is how the new owner might view their expensive first purchase. When I drive a 2cv and it slows for a hill I think "Well, it's only 602cc and around 30bhp."When the rain drips in I smile and think "Well, the roofs only fabric, and the top of the doors don't quite close properly at speed so it's no wonder they leak".When it rusts almost overnight, or rattles, or a bit bends, snaps off or dents I tell myself "Well, it's a 2cv - they're made of nowt, cheap flimsy tin"When I consider the (lack of) ability to withstand an accident I shrug: "Well, they didn't care much for safety back then, this was just basic, cheap and cheerful motoring."
So when as a new owner driving along in my newly rebuilt and quite expensive 2cv, I begin to notice all the aforementioned maladies, the two things I would then be left thinking was "Wtf did I pay twelve grand for this?" and " I could have got a cracking little MG/Ford Pilot/Vauxhall Cresta for that kind of money"
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January 22nd, 2011, 11:38 pm |
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Jonathan
Firing on two.
Joined: January 1st, 2009, 7:37 pm Posts: 4708 Location: Disunited Kingdom
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Jesus Mallony!! OOOOOPPPP!! I said I'll keep out of this discussion. I'd better log off 
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January 22nd, 2011, 11:40 pm |
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Rhythm Thief
Firing on two.
Joined: March 10th, 2010, 12:37 am Posts: 1927 Location: Alone in my polytunnel with my pitiful competition onions
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Old-Nail wrote: I won't. I can understand the inflated market values, because that's what 'markets' create. What I don't understand, and never will really, is how the new owner might view their expensive first purchase. When I drive a 2cv and it slows for a hill I think "Well, it's only 602cc and around 30bhp."When the rain drips in I smile and think "Well, the roofs only fabric, and the top of the doors don't quite close properly at speed so it's no wonder they leak".When it rusts almost overnight, or rattles, or a bit bends, snaps off or dents I tell myself "Well, it's a 2cv - they're made of nowt, cheap flimsy tin"When I consider the (lack of) ability to withstand an accident I shrug: "Well, they didn't care much for safety back then, this was just basic, cheap and cheerful motoring."
So when as a new owner driving along in my newly rebuilt and quite expensive 2cv, I begin to notice all the aforementioned maladies, the two things I would then be left thinking was "Wtf did I pay twelve grand for this?" and " I could have got a cracking little MG/Ford Pilot/Vauxhall Cresta for that kind of money"Exactly. All of it. It really doesn't matter how rare the things get, or how many people start seeing them as classics, the fact will always remain that they're basically pretty crap cars (in a really good way, of course). They're not worth ten, twelve, even eight or six thosand pounds. And in my book, they never will be.
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January 23rd, 2011, 12:03 am |
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Old-Nail
Firing on two.
Joined: October 7th, 2009, 12:10 pm Posts: 2192 Location: NWUK
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That's my point. I know that values are increasing, but we drive them because we like them and have done for ages. A newcomer that has paid dear would perhaps be left feeling like the lad from jack and the beanstalk that sold his cow for a handful of 'magic' beans. 
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January 23rd, 2011, 12:13 am |
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ken
Agony Aunt - You have a car problem? Speak to Ken
Joined: March 6th, 2009, 1:40 am Posts: 3675
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Jonathan, Leboncoin has plenty of more 'down to earth' options, if you adjust the search options... < http://www.leboncoin.fr/voitures/offres ... pe=4&q=2cv > Something which I've noticed about those folk who've paid high prices for shiny 2CVs in the UK is that they don't seem to use them very much and often don't seem to keep them very long. One fellow I know got rid of a car, for which he'd paid almost £5,000, after barely a year and about 1,500 miles of use. Mind you, it had taken about £350 to get it through an MOT, which had included getting the engine and rear brakes to work properly, but there were still some fairly rusty rear brake pipes and an extremely noisy clutch release bearing needing attention. On the other hand, I've got customers who've kept their slightly beaten up 'daily drivers' going for well over a decade. ken
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There's many other "shit" cars out there that sell for stupid money and are full of what we would consider foibles but others would consider failings. Old Land Rovers, cheap utilitarian off road vehicle? Really bloody expensive, fiendishly uncomfortable, noisy, smelly, thirsty, piss water in at the slightest hint of rain but still bloody good off road to be fair. Beetles, cheap car for the masses. Hmmm, don't really need to go there do I? Lethal (if the ones I've driven are anything to go by) in the wet, overheat, really cold inside, noisy etc etc. Mini, tiny, noisy, uncomfortable, leak and so on. MG, why would anybody try and compare one of those absolutely hateful things to a 2CV? Look, I'm not actually saying that 2CVs (and derivatives) should be really expensive-as I said before, it saddens me too, but more from a selfish point of view because I can't afford them now-I'm merely saying that if you look at most cars with any kind of "following", this is what happens. Mk 2 Escort runabout anybody? Look at how much it's been reduced from-it's not just 2CVs that are being advertised at daft prices http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1843010.htm
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