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 Very rusty '86 Bleu Celeste. 
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Post Re: Very rusty '86 Bleu Celeste.
I'm enjoying because it's being done properly! Not like the massive bodging required to get my heap an MOT! :roll:

I wonder how many people would have bothered to clean up the body seams? Very few i'd have thought. Yes it's mind numbing, but when its done you can hold your head high, safe in the knowledge you did a cracking job!

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Fantastic, and thorough job being done here. Attention to detail too - I just love it. 8-)

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Post Re: Very rusty '86 Bleu Celeste.
She's finally in primer:

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Surprisingly straightforward too. I assume that high-build primer is easier to spray than gloss but nevertheless I only managed to finish up with one little run.
Off to get 5 litres of Celeste Bleu celly tomorrow (which I expect to be a challenge in itself.)

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Nice work!

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What sort of paint is that?

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Post Re: Very rusty '86 Bleu Celeste.
Lenny,

This is fantastic...just what this whole thing is all about.

Really inspirational, nice one!

Keep posting and sharing as I am astounded by the work you are doing and can do !...GREAT STUFF

J

PS - can you still get "celly" ? Thought is was a tad difficult to obtain!

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What sort of paint is that?



I did a coat of etch primer on any bare bits followed by this high build cellulose primer. I done one or two coats all over and five or six coats on the bits that will have to be most shiny (rear sweeps, front a-panels, windscreen surround).
Started flatting it back yesterday too. Got it smooth as a babies bum on the nearside rear sweep.
It's going to be a long week or two of rubbing down to get her ready for top coat.

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I'll let you know later!


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Post Re: Very rusty '86 Bleu Celeste.
Yes Celly is still easily available.

My tip for the flatting back the high build primer is to take it right back down with 600 or 800 grit, as far as you can go without actually rubbing through. I say this because I think the 'high build' name gives the impression that it's ok to have it on pretty thick, but it isn't.

Leaving the primer coat on slightly thicker to smooth out blemishes rather than using stopper will lead to your topcoat (and primer) chipping off easily like the coating of a smartie, I know because mine does that in the in places where I left the primer 'high build'. On the parts where I painted thinner layers it is less prone to chipping.

Looking forward to seeing the next stage, you're doing a fantastic job!

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Post Re: Very rusty '86 Bleu Celeste.
Well that was a surprise.
Just been to my local paint supplier and it was no problem at all. They matched the colour up to a commercial vehicle colour and supplied me that.
£58+vat for five litres.

Thanks for the advice Old-Nail. Just the sort of advice I need. With the bit I've already flatted I started with 600grit, went through 800 and finished with 1200. Is this too much do you think?

How many top coats do you think I should aim for?


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1200 is too fine for primer 'cause you still want some tooth left for the topcoat to grip on to. For solid colour 600 - 800 is enough. Did you spray a guide coat?

Keep the primer layer thin but smooth, and remember that the cellulose paint won't 'fill' any scratches or marks like 2k will, so if you do have any in the primer use a stopper to fill them then flat it back again.

The number of coats depends on yourself and how you apply them. It also depends on the colour (yellow for example needs more coats) and whether or not you are going for a finish that can be 'rubbed out' with wet flatting and Farecla or not.

If you've never sprayed before then putting on enough paint to be rubbed out afterwards is a good idea as that gets out any final blemishes.

What I did was:

Primer:

3 coats of primer, rubbing it almost off again between each coat to get the surface really smooth. Any tiny holes or pits need to be stoppered then and made flat. As mentioned where I did leave the primer thick the paint chips off easily.

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1 'mist coat', quickly followed by 3 full coats of cellulose top coat mixed 50/50 with thinners. The thin mist or 'grip' coat helps to stop runs by going tacky and gripping the subsequent full coat. The full coats can then be applied within 20 mins of each other, just leave enough time for the thinners to flash off properly. (15-20 min each coat @ 20c depending on temp.)

Let it dry over night.

Next, lightly wet flat the paint with 1200 paper and warm slightly soapy water to remove any nibs (bits of dust) or orange peel etc that might be there in the surface. This part feels awkward, especially if you think the paint looks 'good enough' already, as taking wet and dry to it just feels plain wrong...but trust me. ;)

Rinse and dry the surface then look along the paint where you have flatted it to make sure it is all uniformly dull again, any shiny bits are where you have missed so you need to get them.

Degrease with panel wipe, tack the surface with a tack rag and you're ready for the next coats. This time mix your paint either 60/40 or 70/30, the larger number being thinners. The reason for this is that the thinners make the paint flow out better, giving a smoother surface straight from the gun. The downside is that with thinner paint it's easier to get runs so keep your gun hand moving! Another three full coats should do it, it sounds a lot but celly is really thin stuff.

Once that is dry you can appraise where you're up to. You should by now have a good even coverage that is quite glossy, but not super glossy. If you have any runs or orange peel then you need to let them dry thoroughly before flatting them back out, if not, then you can now decide if you are happy to go for the finish or not. If not just repeat the previous step until all is well.

To finish, you can either flat out the paint again with 1500 - 2000 before buffing with Farecla G3 which will give you a 'mirror' finish, or simply rub it out by hand with Farecla G3 on a damp cloth without the additional wet flatting. I'd advise the latter, as a mirror finish shows every little imperfection so can actually be counter productive.

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