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Author:  H Clew [ November 26th, 2014, 11:37 pm ]
Post subject:  slipping clutch
I got my 60 2CV running, and am learning its quirks. I have a centrifugal clutch and the gearbox that shifts from 3rd to 4th without going through neutral. I'm having a lot of fun.
I have a little slipping of the clutch in the higher gears. I've got the conventional clutch adjusted so that there is some free play in the lever, so I'm assuming that the slipping is in the "traffic clutch". Is there a definitive way to determine where the slipping is happening?

In the extra parts, I have a flywheel for a conventional clutch. Is the conversion as simple as replacing the flywheel?
David
Author:  Smiffy [ November 28th, 2014, 6:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: slipping clutch
Never had a trafficlutch in any of my 2CVs. Any mechanical gurus know what might be going on with H's clutch?
Author:  lpgo [ November 28th, 2014, 9:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: slipping clutch
I have (had) an Ami 6 with traffic clutch (and electric vacuum clutch so it only has 2 pedals (brake and throttle)... the car once belonged to a French war veteran, and had only 1 leg (the guy not the car)) and I'm thinking how you can check which clutch slips... The only thing which I can come up is as soon as the clutch starts to slip try to hit the clutchpedal gently, if the slipping immidiatly go worse as soon as there is tension on it will be the normal clutch, otherwise it will be the traffic clutch..


I would always repair/renew/refurbish the traffic clutch, I like(d) it a lot, it is really eaysy driving that way...

When does the trafic clutch come in should be at around 1200 rpm.. when it comes in at higher rpm you can bend the traffic-clutch-pads a little more out (but only a little otherwise it will comes to soon :lol: :lol: and will only stall the engine. Sometimes this problem occurs with new pads being to thick...
Author:  ken [ November 28th, 2014, 11:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: slipping clutch
Seconded... :lol:


lpgo wrote:
I have (had) an Ami 6 with traffic clutch (and electric vacuum clutch so it only has 2 pedals (brake and throttle)... the car once belonged to a French war veteran, and had only 1 leg (the guy not the car)) and I'm thinking how you can check which clutch slips... The only thing which I can come up is as soon as the clutch starts to slip try to hit the clutchpedal gently, if the slipping immidiatly go worse as soon as there is tension on it will be the normal clutch, otherwise it will be the traffic clutch..


I would always repair/renew/refurbish the traffic clutch, I like(d) it a lot, it is really eaysy driving that way...

When does the trafic clutch come in should be at around 1200 rpm.. when it comes in at higher rpm you can bend the traffic-clutch-pads a little more out (but only a little otherwise it will comes to soon :lol: :lol: and will only stall the engine. Sometimes this problem occurs with new pads being to thick...
Author:  H Clew [ November 29th, 2014, 2:51 am ]
Post subject:  Re: slipping clutch
Here's what I've done, and what I'm going to do.
First, I'll try the light clutch pedal tomorrow and see what happens.
When I bought the car, I was told that it ran "a couple of years ago." Hoping for the best, I didn't split the engine/gearbox.
A year later, ready to road test, I found a lot of slipping in the clutches.
Out comes the engine, and off comes the clutch. Both clutches were pretty impregnated with oil, dirt and age.
I degreased them with brake cleaner, and cleaned and scuffed the surfaces with a wire wheel. They looked pretty good.
Back together, they work a lot better than they did, just the slight slippage problem that I have now.
Since I have a standard flywheel, I'm going to install a standard clutch. I like the idea of the traffic clutch, but it's my wife's car, and she can't/won't understand how to use it.
I've ordered the clutch kit, pressure plate, disc and bearing. If my lotto ticket comes in this weekend, I'll order the centrifugal plate, and go back to original. That plate costs more than the three piece kit and I have to pay for freight across the pond.
Author:  lpgo [ November 29th, 2014, 10:02 am ]
Post subject:  Re: slipping clutch
Hey don't appologize it's your car (and wife) :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Nothing wrong with bringing it back to a normal clutch.......

As I understand you know how to seperate them , I would first try to put only the new ordered clutchplate in the traffic-clutch arrangement and see what happens.. I guess this wil solve the problem....


p.s. How hard can it be?? Put in first gear, let the clutch pedal come up.. wait till you can drive of, hit the throttle and of you go....... (sorry couldn't let it rest)...
Author:  H Clew [ November 29th, 2014, 3:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: slipping clutch
...And then she thinks she can do that in all the gears.
If I don't need the pedal to go into first, why do I need to use it to go to second?
If it's "automatic", what is the shift knob for?
What do you mean it disengages when I come to a stop, I didn't do anything?
Author:  lpgo [ November 29th, 2014, 6:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: slipping clutch
Ok you win. :x :x :lol:
Author:  H Clew [ December 31st, 2014, 5:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: slipping clutch
Here's an update.
It was, I'm pretty sure, the conventional clutch that was slipping.
Earlier, on a short test drive, the clutch cable disconnected. There's a picture of the release arm that I had to work with. The result was a loud scraping noise. I limped home, and repaired the connection. Then the slipping started.
When I disassembled, it was obvious that the scraping damage was the cause of the slippage.

http://s1305.photobucket.com/user/HClew ... V%20Clutch

I haven't figured out how to insert pictures into my reply. :roll: I tried the "upload attachment", but nothing shows in my reply preview.
Author:  AZL57 [ December 31st, 2014, 7:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: slipping clutch
Seems the "'cannisters" that hold the springs that press the clutchplate are damaged/gone. So there will not be enough pression on the clutch plate this will cause slipping too. I had a strange noise in mine that i couldn't find. It turned out to be a worn sliding ring where the graphite clutch bearing pushes on so i couldn't declutch enough. Thcast iron.e 3 fingers off the cluthplate eaten into the
Changing from centrifugal to normal clutch will be difficult. The primary shaft of the gearbox is too long. It can be cut off but you will miss the front bearing a normal primary shaft has.
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