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Author:  Rhythm Thief [ September 8th, 2014, 10:51 am ]
Post subject:  Berlingo woes
Yes yes yes, I know it's not a 2cv. But it is a Citroen and it's arguably the new 2cv and you're all Citroen enthusiasts so ... anyway.
My other half's Citroen Berlingo 1.6HDI has just lunched its turbo. The garage want £1 800 to fix it and we can't possibly afford that, so I was thinking the best way to deal with it is to get it home and on the drive and (bearing in mind the many problems which seem to be associated with the 1.6 engine), swap the entire engine. I was thinking maybe the 1.9TD engine from the Peugeot 306 would be a sensible swap (a straight swap too, by all accounts) but I wouldn't be human if I didn't think about putting something bigger in there while I'm at it.
Does anyone know if the 2.0 litre 16v engine is a reasonably straightforward swap (I know it's a petrol). I'm not a fabricator and barely know one end of a welding torch from another, so I don't want to be cutting the engine bay around or making engine mounts or anything, but if I can physically bolt the engine in I should be able to make it work. Any or all advice gratefully received!
Author:  lpgo [ September 8th, 2014, 5:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Berlingo woes
Why not upgade or revise the turbo??? would save you alot of time and probably money....

a revision set will be around 50 pound I gues, take a look at fleabee... a turbo starting at 150 pound I guess...

My opinion is putting in another engine is always more work as you think and want.... Mostly little bits which sets you back for hours or dollars.....

Whats so bad at your orignal engine????

When you put in another turbo take a good look at your oil-management, I guess theres something wrong there otherwise your turbo wouldn't be down....
Author:  AZS [ September 8th, 2014, 6:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Berlingo woes
Most engines that had turbo for lunch will be a bit broken.
Author:  gaz602 [ September 8th, 2014, 8:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Berlingo woes
lpgo wrote:
Why not upgade or revise the turbo??? would save you alot of time and probably money....

a revision set will be around 50 pound I gues, take a look at fleabee... a turbo starting at 150 pound I guess...

My opinion is putting in another engine is always more work as you think and want.... Mostly little bits which sets you back for hours or dollars.....

Whats so bad at your original engine????

When you put in another turbo take a good look at your oil-management, I guess theres something wrong there otherwise your turbo wouldn't be down....


The 1.6hdi has a problem that it gets a build up of gunk in the sump and turbo oil feed pipes.The only way to really sort it is to strip the engine to clean it all out and replace all the oil feed pipes,thats why they charge so much to do it and if you don't the new turbo wont last five minutes :shock:
Author:  Rhythm Thief [ September 8th, 2014, 9:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Berlingo woes
gaz602 wrote:
lpgo wrote:
Why not upgade or revise the turbo??? would save you alot of time and probably money....

a revision set will be around 50 pound I gues, take a look at fleabee... a turbo starting at 150 pound I guess...

My opinion is putting in another engine is always more work as you think and want.... Mostly little bits which sets you back for hours or dollars.....

Whats so bad at your original engine????

When you put in another turbo take a good look at your oil-management, I guess theres something wrong there otherwise your turbo wouldn't be down....


The 1.6hdi has a problem that it gets a build up of gunk in the sump and turbo oil feed pipes.The only way to really sort it is to strip the engine to clean it all out and replace all the oil feed pipes,thats why they charge so much to do it and if you don't the new turbo wont last five minutes :shock:


That's why I want to put in a different engine. I know I can clean out the sump and change the oil repeatedly but from what I read that's no guarantee that it won't eat another turbo. And I could do without that!
Author:  Nelsthebass [ September 8th, 2014, 11:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Berlingo woes
You will have to alter all the ECU as well I suspect if you change the block from diesel to petrol and no guarentee, especially with Citroen, that the connectors will be the same!
Author:  Jonathan [ September 8th, 2014, 11:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Berlingo woes
I have an idea you'd have to change the BSI from the car the replacement engine comes from, and have the system rebooted by a Citroen garage or somebody with the relevant software. Not an easy job.
Author:  Sean [ September 9th, 2014, 8:18 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Berlingo woes
Gaz on the money they are engines with troubles regular oil changes and regular tightening of the injector clamps to avoid the exhaust recirculation from coking up the system.

if you want to fit another engine you wont go wrong with the 2l HDI or even one of the older non common rail Ive never had any problems with the HDI though some have.
French Car forum will have lots of info n whether its just a bolt in upgrade or if youll need to change the box too.
Author:  Russell [ September 9th, 2014, 9:02 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Berlingo woes
What's it worth? I mean couldn't you replace the car for what it'd cost to buy a decent engine and box and all the cocking about trying to make it work to end up with something that's not worth what a standard one is worth.

I know it's a bit defeatist but it might be simpler and cheaper all together.
Author:  Rhythm Thief [ September 9th, 2014, 10:40 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Berlingo woes
Russ, I would do that, but we spent two grand on this thing about three and a half thousand miles ago ... It's relatively new (08 plate) with a full Citroen service history, so I had hoped we'd be safe from turbo failure for a while at least. If I can pick up an engine and gearbox for a few hundred quid (which I should be able to), that's really the only way to fix it economically. But I still find myself wondering if the Peugeot 3 litre V6 engine would fit. What a sleeper that would be.
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