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Author:  pavlos_k [ March 2nd, 2012, 3:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Big problem due stupidity
Hi guys . In case that you ve missed me i am back with some new adventures....!

I dont know from where to start. Anyway the facts and the results.

Fact number one. SOme days ago i had some problems with the turn indicators and the parking indicators. The problem was that the firsts worked pretty well but the flasher or the button o fthe parking lights wasn't working. ANyway i deal with it for 1 hour burned some fuses and then the parking light worked but the turn indicator doesn;t anymore.

Coming to thed engine i thought it would be good to check and i had to to add some oil in the engine.
So i am waliking in the closet picking a bottle of 20-50 oil ( at least that's what it wrote on the bottle ) and taking this to the engine to full it. Suddenly while i put this thing in i am realising that it doesnt look like an oil and it seemes like a lhm or water for car's cooling system.

Then i am stopping and turn on the car running about 2 min. After that i am stopping the engine to deal with the turn indicators. After 15min i am getting tired so picking up my tools to take the way home. I am doing a last check on the engine to see if it is running ok and then nothing. The starter is working but hte engine cant start. At that point i am starting to realise what i have done earlier.

From that point i am starting the next day in the morning but again no results. I going buing some oil ( forgeting yhe filter) and i am back way home and putting the new oil in the engine. Then i am putting the car down to a hill and after 100-200 meters the engine is starting but doenst work welll at all.

Today i ve replaced the oil filter and the oil once more . The car starts only downhill ( 5% of the starter is the best i can get ) cannot hold idle not even if i am pressing the pedal cannot run well ( it doesn't missfire but it is like the one cylinder doesn't fire at all ) so when i am putting the car on load ( uphill with the pedal accelarating the car) it does a lot of cut outs and finally it stops working.

These are the facts. Some other things i checked. The spark plugs seems to work good. The carbyrator on the inside top ( the only thing i can see when it is mounted on the car) looks dirty with black liquid on it ( if i am not wrong the gas shouldn't be noticable cause it is vaporasing ) .

I had the condencer and the pooints box replaced one month ago and i set the advance timing and it was working good.

And something last . I ve notivced yesteraday some white like soap liquid on the oil top on the top of the car. ANd i also noticed that the accelarator pump on the carb may not working .

What is your advice guys ? What shoiuld i check first ?
Author:  Sean [ March 2nd, 2012, 6:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Big problem due stupidity
aww PAVLOS!! :x

Right not having, or wrong oil wont stop the engine starting im assuming the engine turns with the starter motor?
I'd drain whatever you put in, put new cheapest oil in - spin it on the starter with coil disconnected and plugs out keep spinning till oil light goes out. change that oil
then fill again andf run till hot

The "Mayonnaise" or "humous" on the filler is the water and oil mixing and settling at the coldest bit.

As for getting it hot it needs to run and so that is the next trick- fresh petrol, timing set to peg hole valve gaps all ok and it should run If not id put another Condenser on the Points box and try again.

take the screws out the lid of the carb and check the float heights. There is a tiny spot in the middle of the float that should be 19mm from the top of the gasket when you hold the lid upside down and level.

Next blow air from down the little holes in the top of the carb to clear out the drilling

If the gasket is broken then it wont run right.

On the front of the carb is a 10mm brass nut unscrew that and make sure the holes are all clear and put it back in that is the Idle jet and supplies the correct mix when the throttle is closed.

Once it runs run it without the pipe to the air filter place your hand over the carb as it sucks your hand flat pull it off just before the engine dies - this sucks the clean petrol through the drillings the wrong way and may help to clear any blockage.

Keep changing oil till you are happy its clear of water/coolant.

The fact the car wont run at the moment probably saved its life :lol:

Sean
Author:  Taskos [ March 2nd, 2012, 7:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Big problem due stupidity
Hallo all,

Pavlo, I wouldn't call it stupidity. It's the Muphry's law.

Any way it could be one of many reasons,pointed out by Sean, preventing the engine from idling or keep going but what is the critical last intervention that you made?

Was it the "oil" change? Maybe the compression was lost because of that? >>Keep changing that oil.
Was it some electrical fault from the flash tweaking?>>Give the coil a permanent 12V feed and check the sparks.

Cheers
Author:  pavlos_k [ March 4th, 2012, 8:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Big problem due stupidity
Thanks guys for the replies . The car is ok and running again. I changed the oil next day of the accident and then again replaced once more.

I did some cleaning to the carb and i also removed and wash the accelerator pump which was stacked.

Then i put some carb cleaning to the petrol tank hoping that it will clean the carb.

At this moment everything is seems ok and i am happy again.....!

Thanks a lot for ur replies.
Author:  Taskos [ March 4th, 2012, 9:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Big problem due stupidity
:D :D :D
Author:  pavlos_k [ March 20th, 2012, 2:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Big problem due stupidity
Guys it seems my problem didn't get fixed ...! On Sunday after i got difficult to start the car, even it was hot i suspected there was somehting wrong. Then i looked at the carb where i ve found the accelerator pump stucked again. I replaced it today but it doesn't seem that the problem solved. As i can see the accelerator pump comes to the position but very very slow. The funny thing is that i was thinking of replacing the spring as well but i ve listened the saleman who said it was alright.

I cant understand what is wrong with the pump .And here in greece It is also difficult to find a spring at these diamensions. I dont know . On the 2cv viking that i looked there is noo such a part.

What do you think is the problem and the pump stays open all the time ?
Author:  Taskos [ March 20th, 2012, 3:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Big problem due stupidity
Hi Pavlo,

The pump is normal to have a slow return.
If you face a difficult hot start then first swap the ignition coil.
Author:  pavlos_k [ March 20th, 2012, 4:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Big problem due stupidity
Taskos wrote:
Hi Pavlo,

The pump is normal to have a slow return.
If you face a difficult hot start then first swap the ignition coil.


The car runs fine . The difficulty was on sunday which the pump was stucked again. What do you mean by slow return ? I am stopping the engine getting out open the bonnet and still the pump is on its way back. I have to stand there for at least 5 min to see it comming on the normal position .
Author:  Taskos [ March 20th, 2012, 4:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Big problem due stupidity
My pump returns in 5-10 seconds.

But why do you blaim it ?
I mean if you stop it from returning will it prevent the engine from starting?
Author:  pavlos_k [ March 20th, 2012, 5:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Big problem due stupidity
Yes . If it stays open then the car cant start. I dont know why but the car wont start if it stays fully open .

Anyway mine does more than 5-10 sec to return . So it must be the spring...!
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