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Author:  Willami [ February 3rd, 2010, 11:50 am ]
Post subject:  Cavity Waxing....

Hi

When companies and individuals talk about cavity waxing / pumping wax into the cavitys etc. do they mean coating the cavitys with wax or actually FILLING the whole cavity with wax, it it ends up in effect solid...

Not going to be doing this at the moment, but it's always puzzled me

Cheers
Will

Author:  baron_matt [ February 3rd, 2010, 12:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Cavity Waxing....

As an Ami owner, you will become familiar with rustproofing, cos if you don't you won't have an Ami for long.

Cavity waxing is the coating of the insides of cavities including box sections with a film of wax. The reasons why you do this is because inside these areas very little paint or protection of the metalwork and mositure finds its way inside causing rust to work from the insides out.

On an Ami you should be waxing the following areas

Roof box sections above the doors.
A posts
B posts
C posts
D posts
Above the windscreen
The box section below the windscreen
Sills
Lower bulkhead box section
Top hat sections on floor
Jacking points on floor
The channel retaining the sealing rubber on the sills
Front inner wings
In the seams on the inner rear wings around the rear bumpstops.
Inside the box section at the back of the rear wings.
All seams on the rear wings (unless you have polyester type fitted)
Tops of doors underneath sliding channel.
Inside the top of the door and along all seams
Inside the rear seat box.
The rear chassis beam that supports the boot floor and inside the chassis.

I think that should keep you busy, but it will save your Ami from becoming a rusty stain on the concrete of your driveway. :lol:

Author:  ben [ February 3rd, 2010, 12:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Cavity Waxing....

I think what hes getting at is do you /how you just get a coating on the areas inside the cavities ,or how do you know its doing it rather than actually filling up the cavity with waxoyl or just the bottom part where its settled.
I noticed i'd completely filled my rear door box sections on my van when i picked the paint away that was holding the metal skin on and i could see inside the box channel i'd filled it right up :|
One other thing was pointed out to me once, with waxoyl blocking up the vent holes of cavities and box sections how does the area 'breath' in other words surely thats worse for condensation accumulating :?

Author:  Willami [ February 3rd, 2010, 1:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Cavity Waxing....

baron_matt wrote:
As an Ami owner, you will become familiar with rustproofing, cos if you don't you won't have an Ami for long.

Cavity waxing is the coating of the insides of cavities including box sections with a film of wax. The reasons why you do this is because inside these areas very little paint or protection of the metalwork and mositure finds its way inside causing rust to work from the insides out.

On an Ami you should be waxing the following areas

Roof box sections above the doors.
A posts
B posts
C posts
D posts
Above the windscreen
The box section below the windscreen
Sills
Lower bulkhead box section
Top hat sections on floor
Jacking points on floor
The channel retaining the sealing rubber on the sills
Front inner wings
In the seams on the inner rear wings around the rear bumpstops.
Inside the box section at the back of the rear wings.
All seams on the rear wings (unless you have polyester type fitted)
Tops of doors underneath sliding channel.
Inside the top of the door and along all seams
Inside the rear seat box.
The rear chassis beam that supports the boot floor and inside the chassis.

I think that should keep you busy, but it will save your Ami from becoming a rusty stain on the concrete of your driveway. :lol:


Hi Matt

I know the areas to do and 90% of the above was done last summer, although "Inside the box section at the back of the rear wings." i couldn't work out where you mean with this one...do 6's have this, given that the lights are not in the wings?

thanks again
Will

Author:  Willami [ February 3rd, 2010, 1:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Cavity Waxing....

ben wrote:
I think what hes getting at is do you /how you just get a coating on the areas inside the cavities ,or how do you know its doing it rather than actually filling up the cavity with waxoyl or just the bottom part where its settled.
I noticed i'd completely filled my rear door box sections on my van when i picked the paint away that was holding the metal skin on and i could see inside the box channel i'd filled it right up :|
One other thing was pointed out to me once, with waxoyl blocking up the vent holes of cavities and box sections how does the area 'breath' in other words surely thats worse for condensation accumulating :?


That's exactly what i meant - if you completely fill the cavities, how do the drains work....also, should wax (correctly applied) stop rust that is more than likely there already - by sufficating it?

cheers Ben

Author:  Matt S [ February 3rd, 2010, 3:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Cavity Waxing....

Ideally if yuo use a high pressure cavity wax gun and a compressor this will atomise the wax and cover everything but not fill it.

Most companys wax products claim to halt rust in its tracks. So if it already has some corrosion a good waxing 'should' save it if done in time. Im not sure it ever really stops it, but certainly slows it down to manageable levels in my experience.

My preffered product is dinitrol these days but plenty use waxoyl or bilthamber etc.

Author:  Willami [ February 3rd, 2010, 3:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Cavity Waxing....

Matt S wrote:
Ideally if yuo use a high pressure cavity wax gun and a compressor this will atomise the wax and cover everything but not fill it.

Most companys wax products claim to halt rust in its tracks. So if it already has some corrosion a good waxing 'should' save it if done in time. Im not sure it ever really stops it, but certainly slows it down to manageable levels in my experience.

My preffered product is dinitrol these days but plenty use waxoyl or bilthamber etc.


cheers MattS
i used a Holts product - got a job lot of 6 x 500ml aerosols - a tenner....but use the Bilt Hamber rust converter, really rate this product...but then i'm new to it, so have little to compare

W

Author:  baron_matt [ February 3rd, 2010, 5:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Cavity Waxing....

Yep sorry thought I'd double check on those areas so no egg sucking lessons implied.

The rear wing on an Ami 8/super is made up of two pressings spot welded together with the end cone being a self contained unit. Not sure what this looks like on an Ami 6 but the 8 has an enclosed box.

If you use a compressor to apply wax (not a pump action spray) then this creates a waxy mist that covers everything, including you if you accidentially cover the spray end up or hold it too close to a panel.

Filling a box with wax is no good either as it can hold water in if its covering a drain. Just a thin coat is required making sure you get it into the seams.

Author:  bertiewhite [ February 3rd, 2010, 6:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Cavity Waxing....

and there was me thinking I was going to be reading all about Brazilians, back/crack/sack etc :shock:

Author:  baron_matt [ February 3rd, 2010, 6:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Cavity Waxing....

Hi Bertie
do they use any rust proofing on aircraft?

I seem to recall hearing that ex FAA aircraft such as the Buccaneer/Sea Vixen was much more resistant to corrosion than say an RAF aircraft such as the Hunter/lightning. I'm guessing that they used thicker metal or was there some high tech wax deployed as well?

Ta

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