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terpineol wrote:
This really does seem to have gone a bit far gents.

While I must confess I am a paranoid wacker (always afraid something'll break) I really don't see the need for the animosity over suggesting wacking the blighter to smithereens may potentially be a bad idea.



Get over it. Life is full of it. No real big deal. I have no problems with others disagreeing with me. What a boring place this would be, if we all agreed to everthing.

Cheers bastards

Viking bastards

PS. Yes Sean I have hit the hub but don't tell anybody :mrgreen:

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December 28th, 2009, 3:32 pm
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Love you man :-*

and wouldnt the world be boring with out our little "coversations"
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Sean
I think me and Mr Viking are of a similar stubbornness....ill buy you a beer one day and we'll have a laugh

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December 28th, 2009, 3:40 pm
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I'll be more than happy laughing at you with you :mrgreen:
Cheers mate.

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2CViking wrote:
I'll be more than happy laughing at you....


Ill just ignore that then ;)

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December 28th, 2009, 3:55 pm
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It really wouldn't hurt just once in a while for a tech thread to not descend into an argument!

:lol:

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lol... did i just read somewhere about this fan coming off regularly and mylo being frequently maintained... i think katie needs to be educated a little more before anything close to frequent and maintenance are in the same sentence! bless her :P

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December 29th, 2009, 2:58 am
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Russell wrote:
It really wouldn't hurt just once in a while for a tech thread to not descend into an argument!

>shuffles about and looks at shoes<
Sorry Mr Russel :oops:

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December 29th, 2009, 9:33 am
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Exploding fan pulleys?
I’d lay the blame on the accountants at Citroen, since they were probably the driving force behind the change from the type of pulley which was pressed in several parts, which were then spot welded together before being brazed to the hub.
< http://www.flickr.com/photos/30132857@N06/4225013288/ >
So far, in almost 30 years involvement with A series cars, I’ve never known one of that type to fail, (unless you count the one on a 4x4 which was driven through a pond at the International meeting in Yorkshire some years back. Even then, it stayed in one piece, albeit ending up a rather strange shape.)

The type which replaced that design is the one which is prone to fatigue failure, with the cracks always appearing in exactly the same location, where the reinforcement provided by a flange projecting from the hub was omitted.
Worse than that, the method of forming the main part of the pulley is by spinning, rather than pressing. The larger part is then clenched together to retain the smaller section, but there’s no spot welding used to fasten these two parts together and make the assembly more rigid.
Weakening of the parent metal in the heat affected zones resulting from welding the two thin sections to the hub is the last step on the road to failure...
Cross section of typical remains here.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2525/4224245301_19c970c9a6_o.jpg

Citroen’s introduction of rubber mounted pulleys on the ‘last run’ cars suggests that maybe they’d realised there was a bit of a problem in that area.

In my experience, it’s this poor design which is the root cause of these failures, rather than the chosen method of removal of the pulley from the crankshaft.
Broken or missing fan blades don’t help much either, of course.
Repeated and sustained high rpm will play a large part in finding its weakness, since the load on the pulley increases as the cube of its rpm.
Taking the engine to 6,500 rpm means there’s over 40% more load on the pulley compared to if it’s kept at 5,750, so be warned and make regular checks for signs of the cracks appearing if that’s your preferred driving style.
Hands up anyone who’s had a fan pulley break and be honest about how you usually drive, especially if it's happened more than once... ;)

ken.

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had the pressed one go not long after the current car went on the road, is on the big washer fan now.

its a constant with the racers having to check the fan constantly, which would confirm the cube of the rpm/high rev stress

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