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 Coils comming out of my ears, yet none of them seem to work 
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Post Re: Coils comming out of my ears, yet none of them seem to w
Short answer,
a compression test, even if it has to be done 'cold', is universally accepted as _the best method_ of checking the condition of an engine.

Slightly less than 150 psi for an 8.5:1 engine 'cold' with wide open throttle, closer to 175 psi for a 9.0:1 engine.

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Yes, valve clearances checked corectly, though may do again tonight just to be sure!

HT leads and plugs nearly new, though dry plug is quite sooty.

I know thats what a strobe is really for, but I just wanted to check it was actually trying to spark - tbh I suppose holding the plug on the engine would have done but meh... I didnt think of that at the time!

I am wondering if I have a faulty or erratic valve, is there any easy way to check for this without dismantling the engine? Atleast this is the only reason I can think of that one plug would be wet and the other dry but neither atempts to fire! Both cylinders seem to have some form of compression (though I have no idea as to how much, seems as I dont have a compression tester it was down to sticking a finger in the hole and checking it was trying to compress!)

Ignition is points and condenser, I believe it was / is set correctly. I am a little annoyed with myself that before I replaced them I didnt try starting the car to make sure it was working, as now they have been replaced I dont know if its just a faulty new condenser or something causing it to not start. May put the old one back in to check I supose.

I have been round the manifolds with a tin of WD40 and didnt seem to be any signs of it leaking.

I am wondering if I should just give up and swap it for the spare engine I have sat at my store - My main fear with that is if the problems would persist (though I suppose that would at least show it was an electrical fault!). On that note... is there any way of getting an idea how good or bad an engine is likely to be short of firing it up? I have 4 in total (including the one in this car), the other 3 turn, but they look pretty ropey and I havnt had any of them running.

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Post Re: Coils comming out of my ears, yet none of them seem to w
I guess you will have checked this too but have you cleaned out the carb, making sure all the jets are clean, no crap in the bowls and the inlet filter is not full of little bits of old fuel?

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November 23rd, 2011, 10:25 pm
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Post Re: Coils comming out of my ears, yet none of them seem to w
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simply swapping the whole engine is a bit of an extreme as its likley to be something simple , and there is no guarantee that the new engine wont need the same amount of problem solving to get it running. stick with the one youve got running and solve the small problem- or asses how bad it is with a compression test.

here is the stages id go through to get an engine running.
    Tappets 0.25mm
    New- as in out of the packet new not ones that have been used for a bit and left lying about points and condenser( or points assisted gizmo)
    Points gapped at 0.45mm
    Plugs, new and gapped at 0.65mm
    Timed to static using the peg 8* A line on the flywheel at *8 and the 7th tooth round marked for next bit.
    Fresh petrol
the 2-4-6-8 rule ;)
And then start it with the fan off and the lid off the points box.

Then, using auto motive multi meter set dwell (points gap) to indicated 53* (4cyl 4 stroke) attach strobe and with meter still attached and set to rpm run the engine up to 3000rpm and check advance and set to 2nd flywheel mark watch for scatter.
Switch off engine and if there was minimal scatter re assemble all the other stuff, if there was scatter take cam off re fit 180* and repeat, still scatter find out which side is too high and dunt the cam nose.
Check for oil leaks.
Then id make sure there were no leaks on the intake by spraying round the carb and the manifold with flamable liquid if all ok id go ahead and tune the carb.
Once all that's done its quite warm so i do a comp test and write the results on the cowling anything that has the comp more than 5psi difference side to side or much (10psi) below Kens figures then id look at getting new rings for later. Id check the breather with a manomiter as well and either re furb an old one or get a replacement on the shopping list too.

You can generally tell a bit about the state of an unknown engine by a few tell-tales is it oily, if the internals of the points box are dirty, the rockers and inside of the covers dirty? if so its going to need breather and or rings at least.

Cant stress how important the new condenser is, Every year local farmer gets D*lly out the shed and comes to me ( in his c2) with it not starting , this year it started got to the mot station and back before the condensor failed. Its lucky if it does 600miles each year and the condenser always fails I put a Velleman kit on it last week so it should be good to go next spring.

Neilsthebass all good but a carb wont affect one cyl more than the other unless there is an additional leak on one side

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I always change the condenser when changing points!

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Post Re: Coils comming out of my ears, yet none of them seem to w
Yes, brand new condenser, fresh from ecas. I even tried disconnecting that and wiring up the old one and it still wouldn't go.

Points set to 0.4, got a friend to check it to.

Didnt open up the rocker covers but they were correct 100 miles ago or so

Plugs again nearly new and correct gap (as in done less than 100 miles or so), both look fine.

Had the timing double checked by Spanners a little while back... he seems to know what hes doing ;-)

I will probably go through and try doing all of the above again - alas I dont know what else to do!

I think I am going to have to try to find someone I can borrow a compression tester from - still, I doubt it wont start due to low compression - thats not generly the sort of thing that just suddenly stops it working(?)

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If you did tappets 100 miles ago, maybe the locknuts weren't fully tight when it went back together.

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tev wrote:
I think I am going to have to try to find someone I can borrow a compression tester from -


You can use mine tev.

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Post Re: Coils comming out of my ears, yet none of them seem to w
True, though from memory they hadnt moved in the 50 miles since I had checked them befor. Still, its worth another look

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Post Re: Coils comming out of my ears, yet none of them seem to w
then id be looking at Gingerbloke and Neils suggestions of an inlet leak on one side and a carb that is marginal.
Spray or dribble something combustable -petrol wd 40 ezistart etc around the carb base and around the manifold joint if it increases in tickover then there is a leak at that point.
And the down and dirty way to clean out the carb is to get it running at fast tickover and place the flat of your hand over the mouth of the carb lifting off before it stalls completely, this sucks the petrol up through all the drillings flushing them out.

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