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All MOT'd & Taxed A series are worth ??2000: Discuss
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Author:  samfieldhouse [ October 2nd, 2009, 2:17 pm ]
Post subject:  All MOT'd & Taxed A series are worth £2000: Discuss
Perhaps there's an element of devil's advocate here but let's have a think.

I would argue that my '88 D*lly is by no means a peice of automotive history. I bought my 2cv because she's cheap to run, cheap to insure and a lot of fun.

She's insured to £5000 and I rekon I could probably get £3000 for her so I count myself lucky.

However, supposing hypothetically she got a bit tatty, rusty, neglected. The floors started to go, the panels looked manky, the engine got unreliable, rust got chronic to a point where she wasn't going to pass her next MOT.

Suddenly I'd be looking at a ratty 88 citroen that's going to cost me £400 to get through an MOT and then a lot more to look nice.

Why would I go to the bother when I could trade her in and get £2000 of a shiney little C1?

Would anyone want to buy my ratty 80s citoen for £2000 considering what would need doing?

I know, that if somebody said to me 'hey Sam, you like 2cvs, I'm happy to sell you this ratty 80s car, rather than scrap it, but I want £2k for it because that's what I'd get discounted off a new car if i scrapped it' i would have to say no thanks because it just wouldnt be worth it.

Thankfully, I think few of us are very unlikely to scrap our cars as part of the scheme and thankfully I'm not in this situation.

Therefore it begs the question: Surely there shouldn't be any taxed & MOTd A series for sale for less than £2000? Or are we relying on nice people to sell them at less than that to prevent them being scrapped?
Author:  toomany2cvs [ October 2nd, 2009, 2:45 pm ]
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samfieldhouse wrote:
Why would I go to the bother when I could trade her in and get £2000 of a shiney little C1?


Because it's not _quite_ that easy to get the £2k.

You've got to have owned the car for 12mo.
You've got to be able to afford the other £5k+, on top of the car you're weighing in.

Perhaps more to the point, you've got to actually WANT a new "proper" car... in which case, why would you be driving a ratty 2cv instead of a cheaper (to buy and run), more reliable, more comfortable, more "normal" car?
Author:  Jonathan [ October 2nd, 2009, 3:17 pm ]
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toomany2cvs wrote:
samfieldhouse wrote:
Why would I go to the bother when I could trade her in and get £2000 of a shiney little C1?


Because it's not _quite_ that easy to get the £2k.

You've got to have owned the car for 12mo.
You've got to be able to afford the other £5k+, on top of the car you're weighing in.

Perhaps more to the point, you've got to actually WANT a new "proper" car... in which case, why would you be driving a ratty 2cv instead of a cheaper (to buy and run), more reliable, more comfortable, more "normal" car?



I get your point, but as for reliability, I've done 110,000miles of my current 2cv's 180,000miles and I can count the times it's let me down with the digits of one hand, I very often pass a modern car(last week, an Audi A4) sat on the hardshoulder of the M5/M42/M6, last time the 2cv did that, was in 2003. As for cheaper, it costs on average £200 to service a modern car, to keep the manufacturer happy with continued warranty and if something does go wrong and you have to pay for part(s) and labour........ :o My modern car had it's discs replaced at 50,000, it cost the previous owner something like £250-£300
and when I had the cambelt replaced, it cost me £300, plus service. I think the most expensive part on a 2cv is tyres(£40-unless you have Michelin, £95)or exhaust, however much that is :?

PS:-I'm not arguing, just putting my point across ;) :lol:
Author:  Joe [ October 2nd, 2009, 4:35 pm ]
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i dont see my car as a financial investment. i have it for the fun of it. to be honest i couldnt really put a price on it. i dont think a newer "proper" car would make me want to part with it for 2k off, as already said, theres the other 4 or 5k i have to afford for a new one.
Author:  Russell [ October 2nd, 2009, 5:22 pm ]
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All MOT'd & Taxed A series are worth £2000: Discuss



Incorrect.

This one was £50, MoT'd and taxed, and was worth almost what I paid for it.
Would you pay £2k for it, even now it's not broken? I doubt it.

The scrappage scheme makes no odds, there are still plenty of cars for sale under £2k, 2cvs or otherwise. I paid £750 for my 280, the guy could have traded it in and got £2k off some Korean bullshit, but he'd have had to pay the other £6k on top meaning the merc was worth -£6000 to him, plus whatever he'd have got selling it privately for it's actual value. If he didn't have £6000 the car wasn't 'worth' £2000 to him.

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Author:  DubDefector [ October 2nd, 2009, 6:38 pm ]
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But regardless of the crappage scheme, there's no doubting that all peasant cars are getting too expensive. My wife and I bought a Bay Window camper just as they were getting too much (£2,000 - taxed and MOT'd but painted in blue hammerite and white emulsion!) to ensure we'd actually own one.

I now want a 2cv, and the predominant reason is not a romantic one but for the reason they were built in the first place - because we're about to become poor!! I want a group 1 car that does 50mpg+ and is easy to tinker with at home and will cost me less than £1,000. If it wasn't for the 2cv, I'd be buying a cinquecento.

Therefore, when the 2cvs break the boundary of being "reasonable", sadly it will lose some of its engineering integrity... ie it's cheap!

My wife still thinks she'll only get £300 for her bug - it's in tatty but solid enough condition and requires an oil leak fix and new gearbox. SORN and no tax, I know we'll get at least £2k for her - and even I don't feel that it's worth that...



Shame... and no Tata Nano for Europe! I was hoping they'd pay me to hand in an old Mondeo!
Author:  samfieldhouse [ October 2nd, 2009, 7:05 pm ]
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DubDefector wrote:
there's no doubting that all peasant cars are getting too expensive. My wife and I bought a Bay Window camper just as they were getting too much (£2,000 - taxed and MOT'd but painted in blue hammerite and white emulsion!) to ensure we'd actually own one.


Absolutely, with the current prices of 2cvs there's no way I could afford to get into it now, I got mine in 06 for £398.80. I didn't buy her as an investment either, but it is something of a luxury to have a car that's increasing in value when most of my non 2cv friends drive clapped out polos and corsas.

I love my car, over my dead body would I trade her in. I really did just start this thread to provoke discussion... i was at work... it was quiet... :lol:
Author:  samfieldhouse [ October 2nd, 2009, 7:06 pm ]
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and lol, my brother got taken to the cleaners by a VW 'restoration company' £17,000 for an olive green bay window with a re built engine :shock:
Author:  Neil [ October 2nd, 2009, 7:17 pm ]
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17k for a bay! :shock:
Author:  toomany2cvs [ October 2nd, 2009, 7:25 pm ]
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Neil wrote:
17k for a bay! :shock:


That's towards the lower end of prices these days, innit?
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