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Lol you think this is bad Matt.

When I owned the DS I used to get a few comments about using it on a daily basis. Ooh you can't possibly drive it in the winter/snow/rain etc.

I could never understand why people said that.

Still I guess if you have muppets spending £5000 plus on a 2CV driving up the values in the process then it makes it more likely that a 2CV will not get written off by an insurance company for a dented bumper.

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February 10th, 2010, 12:40 pm
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True, values will increase ben, but.

There are many many 100 quid scrappers needing chassis, floors, sills, screen surround etc etc that people now ask 700 quid for, sorry, but no way.

If you need to realistically spend 800 quid on parts let alone labour and paint (which will be at least double again in most cases) then a car like that is still 100 quid.

And they arent that rare as Russ says, OK you dont see them, but they are out there and for sale everywhere, in france they are still ten a penny, just have to look around a bit to see that.

Prices are odd recently though, i feel the prices have settled to a bit more sensible place for shabby yet useable 2CV's yet shabby dyanes etc (especially on e-bay) seem to have gone up in comparison to what they are actually worth.

Swings and roundabouts, pay your money take your choice. sorta thing i guess.

Let me make it clear im not moaning about anyone or any social type owning a 2CV. Im moaning about their lack of real interest and involvement yet they push us mere mortals with real world recession wages out the market. You know?

Oh yeh, fully agree, and personally would be looking at what somethings going to cost me before spending the initial outlay on a wrecker, though i suppose not everybody is going to be very savvy when buying a car in that state .
As i said, its the same in the (classic) scooter world, the ones who have been there for years are getting priced out of the market if they want certain models,and have been since a resurgence in interest ten or more years back.
But as for Dyanes, to you a cheap tinny car that youve been surrounded by all your life maybe ,(not to put them down you understand), if superior in some ways to the 2cv, but also i think there's only a few hundred left so i suppose it follows that their prices will go up too :|


February 10th, 2010, 12:42 pm
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Prices are odd recently though, i feel the prices have settled to a bit more sensible place for shabby yet useable 2CV's yet shabby dyanes etc (especially on e-bay) seem to have gone up in comparison to what they are actually worth.



We were only discussing the very same thing at the last "RADARS" meeting last week .....prices of 2CV's do seem to be coming down.
Which is prob'ly no bad thing for the true enthusiast ....because it means that if the very worst happens to your pride & joy,it's ultimately gonna cost less to replace it.
It hardly surprises me that Dyanes are holding their money [or indeed "going up"] .....there cant be anymore than a few hundred of them left now ....and lets face it,they're a better car all round than the 2CV.

[dons tin hat & runs for cover .....btw,I drive a 2CV myself ...]

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February 10th, 2010, 12:49 pm
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... lets face it,they're a better car all round than the 2CV.


And a 1986 Metro is a better all round car than a Mini, but........ ;)

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February 10th, 2010, 1:03 pm
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There's ask - and there's get.
To ask that money only requires one deluded person.
To actually get it requires two.


You have an excellent turn of phrase Mr. Chapman. :lol:

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And they arent that rare as Russ says, OK you dont see them, but they are out there and for sale everywhere, in france they are still ten a penny, just have to look around a bit to see that.



Not quite true Matt. I have lived here 5 years now and there has been a notable decline in the number of cars around for sale and the prices have risen drastically.

We also have a new piece of legislation going through here which will see it illegal to sell cars "for spares or repairs". The only people who will be allowed to buy cars that do not have a current CT [MOT Test] will be licensed scrap dealers.

When this bit of legislation goes through it will see a lot of repairable cars being crushed. :| :|

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February 10th, 2010, 1:47 pm
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We also have a new piece of legislation going through here which will see it illegal to sell cars "for spares or repairs". The only people who will be allowed to buy cars that do not have a current CT [MOT Test] will be licensed scrap dealers.

When this bit of legislation goes through it will see a lot of repairable cars being crushed. :| :|


I checked into this when it was first rumoured. The FBHVC spoke to their French counterparts, who bsaically said "Nah. Not true."

The secretary of the FBHVC wrote:
Our legislation committee asked the French Federation about your query and this is their reply:

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Yes, the text attached is correct (had to be!) but is specifically geared toward the specific profession of "démolisseurs-récupérateurs" (those professionals who demolish or trade parts of non running vehicles). Once again, one has to distinguish, as often in France, between the letter and the spirit of the Legislation. A vehicle is considered by the French Code de la Route as a "bien mobilier" (which I translate as "mobile good", like a piece of furniture, unlike a building which can not move) and the owner can do what he wants with it, as long as he does not endanger anyone else's life (safety). The gendarmes close their eyes on all these private exchanges or sales of parts at autojumbles throughout the country and the public authorities do not question all these adds for "non running cars" in the specialised press.

So you still can buy parts or complete non running 2CVs in France. The Contrôle Technique will have to be passed once the car is restored and in a proper running condition. Since there are indeed no CTs for non running cars, you must restore your "mobile good" before going to the test centre and use it on the road.


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toomany2cvs wrote:
grifftravel wrote:
We also have a new piece of legislation going through here which will see it illegal to sell cars "for spares or repairs". The only people who will be allowed to buy cars that do not have a current CT [MOT Test] will be licensed scrap dealers.

When this bit of legislation goes through it will see a lot of repairable cars being crushed. :| :|


I checked into this when it was first rumoured. The FBHVC spoke to their French counterparts, who bsaically said "Nah. Not true." Since there are indeed no CTs for non running cars, you must restore your "mobile good" before going to the test centre and use it on the road.
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Again this is where different interpretation are put on things. There are CT's for none running cars [CT non roulant]. This is being done away with. So here is the problem.

When you buy a car here you are obliged to transfer ownership within 8 weeks. To do this the car MUST have a CT which is valid for more than 18 months. Currently if you buy a car that is a none runner without a CT you take it along on a trailer to get a "CT non runner". You can also get the tester to come to your house [this is what I do as my local guy is really helpful]. Then with your CT non roulant you can register it in your name. Its a bit like SORN in the UK.

They are doing away with CT non roulant, so in effect taking away your possibility of complying with the registration rule.

Now you are dead right, the French are really good at making rules and then ignoring them but it will put many repairable cars into the crusher

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grifftravel wrote:
Matt S wrote:

And they arent that rare as Russ says, OK you dont see them, but they are out there and for sale everywhere, in france they are still ten a penny, just have to look around a bit to see that.



Not quite true Matt. I have lived here 5 years now and there has been a notable decline in the number of cars around for sale and the prices have risen drastically.

We also have a new piece of legislation going through here which will see it illegal to sell cars "for spares or repairs". The only people who will be allowed to buy cars that do not have a current CT [MOT Test] will be licensed scrap dealers.

When this bit of legislation goes through it will see a lot of repairable cars being crushed. :| :|



I'm sorry but that is completely wrong. You can still buy any car off the road without Carte de Grise and use it for parts. The deal is that you can not transfer a car off the road with a Carte de Grise to the new owner without restoring the car first and present it to Controle Technique.

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Now you are dead right, the French are really good at making rules and then ignoring them but it will put many repairable cars into the crusher


The French FIVA member organisation seem unworried. That's good 'nuff for me.

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