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Little Louis
Field Plougher
Joined: February 8th, 2009, 12:07 am Posts: 2357
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Re: Raid route
you need a 1000 k fuel range
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April 23rd, 2009, 8:37 am |
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toomany2cvs
Firing on two.
Joined: December 26th, 2008, 9:40 pm Posts: 3332 Location: Surrounded by 2cvs...
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Re: Raid route
2cv4x4 wrote: you need a 1000 k fuel range No, you don't. When we did the Dakar, we were never more than 150-200 miles from being able to buy fuel. We took a couple of 20l jerrycans - but didn't need to use one, let alone both. Lots of spare fuel is not only heavy, but it's also very popular amongst some of the less honest locals - you WILL find yourself being tapped up by a friendly local or two to "donate" some to "help his friend"
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April 23rd, 2009, 8:45 am |
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2CViking
viking bastard
Joined: April 18th, 2009, 11:43 am Posts: 2424 Location: Meneac, Bretagne France
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Re: Raid route
Sean wrote: 2CViking wrote: Suggestion: Meeting point Tunis in Tunisia, straight down or some zigzagging to Ghana or thereabouts. Back up along the west coast of Africa to Morocco, across to Spain and finish at the 2cv world meeting in France
What's the weather like in Africa in june/july? 1/Thats an awfully ambitious trip! 2/ Hope thats a joke Easter (April)south of the atlass was very very hot! To cross the Sahara twice in one trip in the hight of summer is pushing it .Bear in mind the factory raid had huge 4x4 trucks in support as well as support from Total airlifting fuel on the Tenere leg. Sure things have"improved" since 73 but a 200 mile range between fuel stops its going to be quite a logistical feat. Sean Thanks very Sean Yes you are right, too much of a mouthful in term of distance. Maybe it is better to cut across to Senegal from somewhere in Mali and then back up through Morocco to France. What do you think? Fuel drop depot is a good thing but it will only increase cost which is a problem. This Raid is going to be a comfortable Raid on a budget, all the fancy stuff left behind. 2cv fuel tank is 25 liters + 30 liters spare gives you 55 liters and roughly 700 km depending on road conditions etc.
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April 23rd, 2009, 9:27 am |
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toomany2cvs
Firing on two.
Joined: December 26th, 2008, 9:40 pm Posts: 3332 Location: Surrounded by 2cvs...
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Re: Raid route
2CViking wrote: Maybe it is better to cut across to Senegal Senegal are _very_ unwilling to let cars 10yo+ in. VERY. On the Dakar, we only managed to get in on condition every group of cars had a customs guy escorting us through to the border to make sure they all left the country again ASAP. Even that "cost" €250/car or something. They'd have been very happy to just turn us away.
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April 23rd, 2009, 9:30 am |
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Sean
Firing on two.
Joined: April 22nd, 2009, 11:06 pm Posts: 3684 Location: Ecosse
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Re: Raid route
Thanks very Sean Yes you are right, too much of a mouthful in term of distance. Maybe it is better to cut across to Senegal from somewhere in Mali and then back up through Morocco to France. What do you think? Fuel drop depot is a good thing but it will only increase cost which is a problem. This Raid is going to be a comfortable Raid on a budget, all the fancy stuff left behind. 2cv fuel tank is 25 liters + 30 liters spare gives you 55 liters and roughly 700 km depending on road conditions etc.[/quote] Book sahara overland a bible with some good routes in it its bike based but best advice i was given for raid was " think like a bike, travel light" The forum a great resource with up to date info just ask http://www.adventure-motorcycling.com/http://www.sahara-overland.com/and 2cv specific some good raids including the Maroc 2001 that i took part in http://www.2cvclubdefrance.free.fr/http://ppproduction.free.fr/?page=1Sean
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April 24th, 2009, 1:02 am |
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2CViking
viking bastard
Joined: April 18th, 2009, 11:43 am Posts: 2424 Location: Meneac, Bretagne France
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Re: Raid route
Great links Sean, many thanks for them, shall study them closer. I’m beginning to understand how different Africa is to Australia in terms of dealing with the locals. Moving around in many parts where numnuts are roaming the roads is obviously a problem. Have to work out how to deal with this problem. Border crossings are also a problem not knowing which one to approach and if it will be open when we get there.
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April 24th, 2009, 10:57 am |
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Sean
Firing on two.
Joined: April 22nd, 2009, 11:06 pm Posts: 3684 Location: Ecosse
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Re: Raid route
2CViking wrote: Great links Sean,
Moving around in many parts where numnuts are roaming the roads is obviously a problem. Viking Again hope thats a joke Aye but thats what you get when you head off to Aus In Africa, and everywhere really, normal people are all the same: Men bitch about workin too much, women bitch about how usless the men are, everyone loves their kids and laughs at what they do, And everyones looking for an excuse to get off their faces on the local mind altering substance to forget their troubles. Everyone is suspicious of a stranger in their midsts, but get out shake their hands have a glass of tea and a laugh about football and the stressfulness just goes. If you hoon about, treat the locals like sub humans and flash your wealth dont be surprised if you get stones thrown at you, sticks waved and AK47s in your face Theres a good bit in Sahara overland about "road stress" where you get into a panick and charge around feeling like locals are all hostile and your on an adrenaline high - you soon burn out and crash Sean
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April 24th, 2009, 8:33 pm |
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toomany2cvs
Firing on two.
Joined: December 26th, 2008, 9:40 pm Posts: 3332 Location: Surrounded by 2cvs...
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Re: Raid route
Sean wrote: Theres a good bit in Sahara overland about "road stress" where you get into a panick and charge around feeling like locals are all hostile and your on an adrenaline high - you soon burn out and crash Yep, I had a day like that in Senegal, the day we went to St Louis - which I'd been really looking forward to. Hiho.
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April 25th, 2009, 12:44 pm |
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Daffy Duck
2CV Fan
Joined: April 21st, 2009, 2:36 pm Posts: 62 Location: Sydney, Australia
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Re: Raid route
There is a huge difference between travelling in the outback of Australia compared to Africa. Firstly, you are unlikely to be held up at gunpoint, Secondly, if you were involved in a bad accident requiring urgent medical treatment, call the police via sat phone, get them to organise a helicopter from a nearby cattle station (they all use helicopters to round up their cattle) to go to your GPS location, retrieve patient back to station where the Flying Doctor will have a fixed wing aircraft to take you to the nearest hospital (maybe 500km away). Many of the sealed roads in the putback are marked as emergency Flying Doctor strips. In the remote areas of Africa, it pays to bring your own antibiotics, their medical centres are 3rd world, not 1st world.
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April 28th, 2009, 2:45 pm |
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Daffy Duck
2CV Fan
Joined: April 21st, 2009, 2:36 pm Posts: 62 Location: Sydney, Australia
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Re: Raid route
Since the Tourag Trail has done a number of trips, maybe the best route is roughly the one they use, and the best time of year is when they go. Why reinvent the wheel. Has anyone been on a Tourag Trail? They ship their 2CVs back from West Africa to Europe and fly back. Sounds like a reasonable way to keep the Raid to a 4 week period and maximise time travelling in Africa. By having each Raid car self contained (carrying their own camping gear and food, water and petrol), we can dispense with the expensive support vehicle. The Tourag Trail also requires vehicles to have roll cages, which is an added expense and worse, added weight. With a Raid, we are not trying to rally the cars by driving flat out, where both suspension damage and occupant safety may be compromised. Travel light within the conditions is always the best recipe for a budget Raid.
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